Path: wn3!worldnet.att.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!online.no!not-for-mail From: NOSPAM----heldal@online.no (Andreas Heldal-Lund) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,nl.scientology Subject: OPERATION CLAMBAKE: Two more members in Kobrins Pen Pal Club ;) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 20:29:19 GMT Organization: Operation Clambake Lines: 279 Message-ID: <334168a9.1223055721@news.telepost.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: stavanger1101.online.no X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: wn3 alt.religion.scientology:205984 nl.scientology:4088 Hi, Two more members in Kobrin's Pen Pal Club: > -----Original Message----- > From: Helena Kobrin [SMTP:hkk@netcom.com] > Sent: 21. mars 1997 08:44 > To: haaheim@realtime.no > Subject: Unauthorized use of copyrighted material > Ms. Kobrin > > > Dear Mr. Haaheim, > > We have previously communicated, and my Norwegian colleague > has also communicated with you, regarding postings of > unpublished, copyrighted materials placed onto your website. > Following those communications, those pages were taken down. > > The same web page taken down has now suddenly re-emerged. If you had taken the time to look at the web page you would have found that the existing page has been available since mid december when then previous page was removed as your demand. > It is at www.realtime.no/~bjorn. You already have the > information regarding the works that are on this site, both from > me and the Norwegian attorney. I would appreciate it if you > would take this site down immediately. We have checked the content on the site against your previous information and we actually not find any of this information here Unless you are able to document your clams I suggest you stop wasting our time as we are way to busy to run around and playing silly games with you. We did long time ago suggest you got into direct contact with the person responsible for the page yourself, and it is not harder than to click on the e-mail function at the bottom of the page. > I also request that you consider cancelling the account of > the individual making the posting, as he clearly has no intent of > conforming his actions to the law, and will only continue to > cause you trouble in addition to violating my client's rights. We find your request utterly ridiculous, even more as your former request has been followed according to Norwegian law, and your behaviour is approaching harrassment. Please inform us about which state bar you are affiliated to, your bar number, and other information neccesary to make a formal complaint to your bar. Furthermore we would request that you stop making contact with us in any way until you are able to come up with any realistic complaints instead of these fantasy products of yours. > > Sincerely, > Helena K. Kobrin Sincerely Parick Haaheim Realtime Connections ---------------------------------------------------------------- ARGH! Scandinavian wogs bite Helena, thougth you'd learned that by now? The page mentioned here hosted some of the documents some time ago, on request they were removed as ordered by Kobrin that time. Since then there has been a box for user name and password and a OK button there. Suddenly just before Easter Kobrin finds this and sends the mail that is replied here. What is behind the login? And how many have Helena ordered to day in an out try to break the code?? Have they found it? BWAHAHAHAHA! Look out for the next episode of Soap! And then it's Thomas's story, I wonder what he had on his page this Easter? Notice the new variation of quoting a file with XENU in the name! HUBBARD_WAS_XENU.txt is turned into HUBBARD_WAS+XENU.txt by Kobrin, isn't that a strange one? This time Kobrin was late, it took her 4 days to find this site, and by the time Easter was over all files was gone.... Don't you ever get a vacation Helena??? ;> Here is the Reply Thomas wrote: --------------------------------------------------------------- Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Henden, Thomas" Organization: Hogskolen i Oslo To: Helena Kobrin , heldal@online.no Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 19:52:50 +0100 Subject: Re: Unauthorized use of copyrighted material Reply-to: Thomas.Henden@stud.hf.hioslo.no Return-receipt-to: Thomas.Henden@stud.hf.hioslo.no Priority: urgent Dear Helena Kobrin I'm not sure if I understand your point that the material is copyrighted, since the material so to say contains the "scientologian Bible" like the Christian who have their Bible. I had never heard that any religious organization kept their Bible and their version of the truth secret, and am not sure if I understand the reason of your request. However, many hours ago, I have removed the material as described in your letter from my home area on the server here, and have hereby obeyed your request. Sincerely Thomas Henden, Norway. > Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 17:50:15 -0800 (PST) > From: Helena Kobrin > Subject: Unauthorized use of copyrighted material > To: Thomas.Henden@stud.hf.hioslo.no > > Dear Mr. Henden: > > I represent Religious Technology Center ("RTC"), the owner > of the confidential Advanced Technology of the Scientology > religion and the holder of exclusive rights under the copyrights > applicable to the Advanced Technology materials. The Advanced > Technology materials are confidential, unpublished, copyrighted > works. RTC's works include, among others, the individual works > comprising levels known as "OT II," "OT III," and "NOTs," > "Power," "Clear Course," "R6EW," and "Class VIII." > > I also represent New Era Publications International which is > the exclusive licensee under the copyrights in the published > works of the Scientology religion. Among the published works > are: HCO Bulletin 14 July 1963 "Routine 3N Line Plots," HCO > Bulletin 23 January 1973 "The Introspective Rundown," and HCO > Bulletin 14 December 1981 "The State of Clear". > > I have just been informed that you have placed certain works > from the levels listed above on your web site at the following > web pages: > > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/HUBBARD_WAS+XENU.txt > > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OT/otiii1.gif > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OT/otiii2.gif > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OT/otiii3.gif > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OT/otiii4.gif > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OT/otiii5.gif > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OT/otiii6.gif > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OT/otiii7.gif > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OT/otiii8.gif > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OT/otiii9.gif > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OT/otiii10.gif > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OT/otiii11.gif > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OT/otiii12.gif > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OT/otiii13.gif > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OT/otiii14.gif > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OT/otiii15.gif > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OT/otiii16.gif > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OT/otiii17.gif > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OT/otiii18.gif > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OT/otiii19.gif > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OT/otiii20.gif > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OT/otiii21.gif > > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OTIII/inline.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OTIII/transcript2.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/OTIII/transcript.html > > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/ned1.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/ned2.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/ned3.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/ned4.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/ned5.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/ned6.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/ned7.html > > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/HCOB.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/HCOB-611906.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/HCOB-612109.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/HCOB-612809.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/HCOB-631105.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/HCOB-631407.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/HCOB-632408.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/HCOB-640812.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/HCOB-652401.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/HCOB-651105.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/HCOB-651105b.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/HCOB-681109.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/HCOB-681109b.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/HCOB-691210.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/HCOB-702102.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/HCOB-702109.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/HCOB-742301.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/HCOB-740212.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/HCOB-822608.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/HCOB-650702.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/HCOB-P1AA.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/grade_v.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/al1.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/tsoc.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/da_bpl.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/lec-assists.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/lec-hel.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/lec-demo.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/lec-bli.html > http://www.stud.hioslo.no/~thomash/CoS/archive/lec-bli.zip > > All of these works have been placed onto this web site without > the authorization of my client. The works are registered with the US > Copyright Office under registration numbers TXu 303-388, TXu 290-496, > TXu 257-326, TXu 257-527, TXu 1-185-434, A640099, TX 1-276-426, TXu > 303-381, TXu 303-383, Tx 1-169-314, TX 1-250-037, TX 1-250-036, PA > 545-478, PA 366-393, TXu 593-514, TXu 159-379, TX 1-143-720, A640105, > A785007, and A599650. > > These postings violate the copyright laws of the United States > and Norway. Because these postings are on your site, they are > copyright infringements for which you can be held liable. I therefore > request that you remove these materials immediately. > > We are currently involved in litigation in the United States, > Holland and Sweden over the same and similar materials in several > lawsuits. Preliminary injunctions based on copyright infringement and > trade secret misappropriation claims are in place in three of those > suits in the United States District Court in San Jose, California. > And a United States District Court in the state of Virginia granted > judgment in favor of my client, related to copyright infringement of > some of these works. > > The court in Holland recognized that similar materials are > copyrighted, and the defendants in the Dutch case took off their > postings of the copyrighted materials in question in that case. And > in Sweden, the court has issued an injunction against the defendant > who posted these works to the Internet. > > The courts in California and Holland have both ruled that an > access provider which is informed that infringement is occurring > through its system and does nothing to stop it can be liable for > contributory infringement. This law places your access provider in > jeopardy if you do not remove your infringements. > > We are not seeking to become involved in litigation, but we will > take all necessary measures to protect my client's intellectual > property rights. Therefore, please confirm that you have removed the > copyrighted material as requested above. I must urge you that speed in > dealing with this situation is critical in light of the fact that > unpublished materials are involved. > > Sincerely, > Helena K. Kobrin -------------------------------------------------------------------- As you see OSA and Helena, we still use Viking helmets and eat toadstool when we have fun here in Norway, better watch it because it makes us very unpredictable..... These two mails just to show you we're still alive up here. I just feel I have to remind you Helena darling, my lawyer and I are still waiting with open minds for some sort of documentations for your claims or a lawsuit. If you just told me your problem I would be happy to help, actually I was about to send you an envelope with stamps since you obviousely can't afford any yourself, but I figured your postal services would refuse stamps with our king on... And another thing, I'm closing in on 5 months now. Best wishes, Andreas ___________________________________________________________ OPERATION CLAMBAKE -- http://home.sol.no/heldal/CoS/ STOP THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY! ACT NOW!!!!!! --S---p---r---e---a---d------T---h---e------W---o---r---d--