Path: netnews.worldnet.att.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.uio.no!sn.no!online.no!news From: heldal@online.no (Andreas Heldal.Lund) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: LAST NEWS FROM NORWAY!!!!!!! Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 21:18:49 GMT Organization: Telenor Online Public Access Lines: 101 Message-ID: <328639ea.55243095@news.telepost.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: lcv314.telepost.no X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 LATEST NEWS FROM NORWAY!!!!!!!!! Today, Sunday November 10th at 09:15 two persons rang my doorbell. They asked to talk to me, I answered by asking who they were. They said they came from The Church of Scientology. I did not let them in but stood in the door asking what they wanted. My summary of the dabate that followed is this: (I call them clam A and clam B) Clam A: You are in the possession copyrighted material. If you do not delete them and hand over any hard copies you may have, we will sue both you and your ISP. Me :These documents are public available on the net and can be ordered from Riksdagen i Sverige. I can see no reason for me to either hand anything to you or remove anything from my home page. (some debate about Xenu and other stuff. Clam B talked Swedish. I said I would not give in for his cult, I looked forward to any action they did, and gave him account of all the media coverage I have had so far, telling him it would be much more if they started harassing me. I respect they having a different view of life than me, but I do not respect people destoying others. And so on.... I talk to much....) Me : What is your name? Clam A: (hesitating) Ehh.... My name is Bjørn Marmedal. Me : And yours? (looking at the other clam, the Swede) Clam B: (just looked at me, with a grin) Me : Are you refusing to say your name? Clam B: (same grin, saying absolutely nothing) Me : What OT level are you at? (looking at clam B) Clam B: (shaking his head) Me : Do I understand you correct that you are here as a witness but refuse to give your name? Clam B: (still nothing, looks unsure. Clam B looks like he's superior to A because A wants to say something but stops when he looks at B) Clam A: Now you have been given notice.... Me : Do you have with you any documentation that proves you represent the owners of the copyright on these documents, and that they are copyrighted? Clam A: (starts to repeat that I've been notified with with a witness present) Me :(I ask him for documentation of who he represent and proof of copyright several times, refuses to answer yes or no) Clam A: (counting on his fingers) We have won lawsuits over this material in USA, Sweden and Finland.... Me : You have WHAT????? What lawsuit have you won in USA, Sweden and Finland??? This is a lie, and you know it! Tell me it's not a lie! Clams : (looking at eachother, either they think I'm an idiot or they know nothing at all themself) Me :Are you aware that these documents are public available in Sweden? I only have to send 500,- kroner to Riksdagen and they will mail me a copy. Are you aware of this? (silence) Me :ARE YOU????? Clam A: No... (looking in the ground, first time he couldn't look me straight in the eyes. One point! Thanks Zenon, I owe you one) Me : (ok, so I was getting a bit irritated and shouted) I hereby declare, as my neighbors as my witnesses, that I will not hand over anything to strangers without any proof of their claim. These documents are public available both on the net and at Riksdagen in Sweden. I see no reason to react to this insane threat. Clam A: Ok, we have told you what will happen... (they starts walking away) Me :I wish you the best, I really hope you two one day can sleep with good conciousness. This was my account of the outdoor meeting. I can't get it correct word by word, but the essens is there. This is so stupid, coming here harassing me without any legal papers, no documantation to back up their claim, refusing to say their names, threatening me,. I get so mad, who the hell do they think they are? I must admit I am a bit proud though, they had nothing! Thanks to all you others that have helped me with information and support (hundreds of e-mails have arrived) I managed to keep calm and be in front all the time. I have no idea at all what they thought they would gain by this stunt, but one thing is sure: I'm only MORE EAGER to follow this to the bitter end! Best wishes, from a Norwegian getting ready! Now I've better explain to the neighbours whats going on. :) Andreas Heldal-Lund ----------------------------------------------------------- OPERATION CLAMBAKE -- http://home.sol.no/heldal/CoS/ STOP THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY! ACT NOW!!!!!! --S---p---r---e---a---d------T---h---e------W---o---r---d--