Path: netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sgi.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.islandnet.com!news.islandnet.com!not-for-mail From: No.post-and-mail.please.uo880@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Martin Hunt) Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Reply to libelous email apparently send from Helena Kobrin: Date: 21 Nov 1996 05:48:23 -0800 Organization: Xenu Inc. Lines: 159 Sender: martinh@islandnet.com Message-ID: Reply-To: No.post-and-mail.please.uo880@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (no junk email!) NNTP-Posting-Host: island2.islandnet.com X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.92 with YES 0.20 X-Info: YES is the Yarn Editor Shell, a freeware utility for Yarn! The best supplement to the best offline newsreader! My reply to the troll? libelous email? apparently send from Helena Kobrin: *** From martinh@islandnet.com Thu Nov 21 05:29:59 1996 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 05:24:30 -0800 (PST) From: Martin Hunt To: Helena Kobrin Cc: postmaster@islandnet.com, postmaster@netcom.com Subject: Re: Unauthorized use of copyrighted material > Dear Mr. Hunt: > > As you are aware, I represent Religious Technology Center > ("RTC"), the owner of the Advanced Technology of the Scientology > religion and the holder of exclusive rights under the copyrights > applicable to the Advanced Technology materials. The Advanced > Technology materials are confidential, unpublished, copyrighted > works. RTC's works include, among others, the individual works > comprising a level known as "OT III." > > I found out this evening that you have posted certain of the > OT III works to alt.religion.scientology without my clients > approval. These works are registered with the U.S. Copyright > Office under Registration No. TXu 292496. This is a lie. I did not post any copyrighted "OT III works" to alt.religion.scientology, as a brief look at the newsgroup or Dejanews will confirm (unless you have illegally cancelled my fair use replies to the person who did post what looked like the "OT III works" to the newsgroup in question, as you have done before, as well as your attempt to rmgroup the newsgroup alt.religion.scientology, which was not honoured by the internet community). I quoted another's post, and I wrote more material than the original, as I'm sure you are aware. I am within my fair use rights with this material. Indeed, I can show you several published books that contain more of your OT III material than I included in my replies. You were, I note, unsuccessful in trying to prevent publication of these books: "Bigger Secrets" by William Poundstone. "A Piece of Blue Sky" by Jon Atack. "L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman?" by Bent Corydon. And others. > Your action violates my client's legal rights in that it is > the unauthorized making of an electronic copy of the copyrighted > materials. Incorrect, as you are well aware. My posts fall squarely within fair use and critical, if derisive, commentary. > I hereby demand that you cancel this posting immediately. I > am including, at the bottom, your header so as to identify which > of your postings contain the infringing works. I hereby demand an apology for your libelous remarks about my postings which you know to be fair use in nature. > We are currently involved in litigation in the United States > over the same materials in three separate lawsuits and similar > works in two others. A preliminary injunction based on copyright > infringement is in place in three of those suits in the United > States District Court in San Jose, California. And a United > States District Court in the state of Virginia has granted > summary judgment in favor of my client for copyright infringement > of some of these works. You are currently engaged in barratrous litigation all over the world; your actions are drawing increasing attention from governments while you pursue your discreditable policies of using lawsuits as a means of harassing and silencing your critics. "the lawsuit may be used very easily to harass" is the policy in question, I believe. > We are not seeking to become involved in litigation but we > will take all necessary measures to protect these intellectual > property rights. I suggest, if you are so concerned, that you cancel the posts yourself and explain on the Usenet newsgroup alt.religion.scientology why you feel this is necessary. Note that I do not give you permission to do so, however, that has not stopped you in the past. One post of mine you cancelled a total of ten times over, despite that fact that it did not contain one word that was copyrighted, but was soley parodic in nature. > Please confirm that you have removed the copyrighted > material as requested above. I must warn you that speed in > dealing with this situation is critical in light of the fact that > unpublished materials are involved. Unpublished? That is a lie, as a brief trip to any good library will prove. William Pounstone's book is still in print in Canada. I do not know about the United States, from whence you hail. > > Sincerely, > Helena K. Kobrin If you read the headers of the post in question, you will find that it was in fact posted without commentary and at some length by: > In article <199611201004.CAA24399@mailmasher.com>, > nobody@huge.cajones.com (Huge Cajones Remailer) wrote: I do not know who this is, nor do I know how to trace whom it might be. My post was a follow-up to this post, and was entirely fair useage. Indeed, the post was followed-up by several people. To date, I understand you have sent out over 100 of these messages to various people on the internet. It may well be that, due to volume, you have made a legitimate mistake. I hope that is the case. Sincerely, Martin Hunt. > From: No.post-and-mail.please.uo880@freenet.victoria.bc.ca > (Martin Hunt) > Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology > Subject: Re: "The Galactic Conspiracy" > Date: 20 Nov 1996 09:49:07 -0800 > Organization: XXXX[vetted] Inc. > Lines: 228 > Sender: martinh@islandnet.com > Message-ID: > References: <199611201004.CAA24399@mailmasher.com> > Reply-To: No.post-and-mail.please.uo880@freenet.victoria.bc.ca > (no junk > email!) > NNTP-Posting-Host: island2.islandnet.com > X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.92 with YES 0.20 > X-Info: YES is the Yarn Editor Shell, a freeware utility for > Yarn! > The best supplement to the best offline newsreader! > > In article <199611201004.CAA24399@mailmasher.com>, > nobody@huge.cajones.com (Huge Cajones Remailer) wrote: > } > }The Galactic Conspiracy > } > } > }I) Handwritten Document: > *** -- Cogito, ergo sum. Email: uo880@freenet.victoria.bc.ca "...if one attacks Scientology he gets investigated for crimes." "If one does not attack Scientology, despite not being with it, one is safe." - L. Ron Hubbard ED INT 149, 2 Dec 1966 _Branch 5 Project, Project Squirrel_