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From: johanw@vulcan.xs4all.nl (Johan Wevers)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,nl.scientology,alt.religion.scientology.xenu,news.admin.censorship,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,comp.org.eff.talk,alt.censorship
Subject: Re: Illegal cancels (was: NOTS Part 5 of 7)
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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:22:38 -0100
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I wrote:

>Some cult asshole has illegally canceled my reply on this message, probably
>bacause I quoted something he or she didn't like. There were 2 cancels. One is:
>
>>From vulcan!xs4all!news.euro.net!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!uknet!zippy.dct.ac.uk!zippy.dct.ac.uk!nntp 15 Oct 96 20:59:25 +0100
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>>Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,nl.scientology
>>Subject: cmsg cancel <32629bce.56554c43414e@vulcan.xs4all.nl>
>>Message-ID: <1996Oct15.205925.3126@zippy.dct.ac.uk>
>>From: johanw@vulcan.xs4all.nl (Johan Wevers)
>>Date: 15 Oct 96 20:59:25 +0100
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>and the other looks the same but with Message-ID:
><1996Oct15.210019.3127@zippy.dct.ac.uk>

>I quoted:

[snips]

Yesterday evening (wednesday) I was called by scientology's spokeswoman
in The Netherlands, Julia Rijnvis. Among other things, we discussed the
previously illegally canceld posting. I told her that I had reposted this
message to other groups, news.admin.censorship, news.admin.net-abuse.misc,
comp.org.eff.talk and alt.censorship. I told her I was expecting a fake
cancel, and that people reading these groups would have more expertise than
I have in tracing illegal cancels.

What I didn't tell her was that I also had thought of another possibility:
if the message would NOT get illegally canceled, that would be evidence for
the proposition that she would have some link to the cancelers, since they
usually cancel such posts as soon as possible. If they were acting on their
own they could not be warned and this posting would already have been
canceled.

This morning I was called by my lawyer, he was called by Hermans (one of
scientology's lawyers in The Netherlands) and he had complained about this
posting. They would go to court if I didn't cancel the message. This means
that they didn't dare to cancel it themselves as they did before. So Julia
Rijnvis must have a link to the cancelers. I will now cancel my previous
posting since it serves no purpose any more. Anyone who wanted that NOT 34
already has it by now.

Julia, thanks for proving the connection.

--
ir. J.C.A. Wevers        (*)  For Physics and science fiction information:
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